tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27506679.post5511946815094502872..comments2023-06-09T03:51:24.003-07:00Comments on The Mandarin's Tea: The Red Cliff IIItokihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17022633186053977362noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27506679.post-32990528422638800092009-04-09T23:01:00.000-07:002009-04-09T23:01:00.000-07:00Look more like T'ang Dynasty wine cups. The silve...Look more like T'ang Dynasty wine cups. The silver makes me think they were made for tea, though (to brighten the flavor). Regardless, the form seems more T'ang (although this form was maintained during the Song, as well). Modern versions of this still exist and were preserved in Chanoyu ceremony with the use of a tenmoku dai (or tenmoku stand).<BR/> As for their origin, they seem to be very scottteahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13900955527889899790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27506679.post-77837211367411564362009-04-09T19:55:00.000-07:002009-04-09T19:55:00.000-07:00Them silver things are Tenmoku chawan holdersThem silver things are Tenmoku chawan holdersMarshalNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16776398824139018801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27506679.post-89305274360745723012009-04-09T13:16:00.000-07:002009-04-09T13:16:00.000-07:00T - you inspired me to study more about this. Sin...T - you inspired me to study more about this. Since my ancestors are Armenian, I became interested in the Chinese connection and it turns out there was a very important one in addition to trade. During the Mongol period, they were allied in wars across Asia (stretching to the Mediterranean in kingdom of Cilicia). To make a long story short, there is evidence that Armenian art forms of all authorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03470230019171564364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27506679.post-50789831208465775592009-04-08T21:02:00.000-07:002009-04-08T21:02:00.000-07:00Thanks T. When you say present-day Turkey, do you...Thanks T. When you say present-day Turkey, do you know which country/culture she was from? Sorry to pester you with too many off-topic questions...(but I am curious)<BR/><BR/>-Janineauthorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03470230019171564364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27506679.post-84548355872814486912009-04-08T19:58:00.000-07:002009-04-08T19:58:00.000-07:00Cool find J. Of course you could find Mid-Eastern ...Cool find J. Of course you could find Mid-Eastern culture in Tang Dynasty, one of the famous Queen was from now-a-days a Turkey. And the silk road and ancient-tea-horse road was in high gear. Perhaps MarslhN could correct me : )tokihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17022633186053977362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27506679.post-5000095153472217482009-04-08T19:46:00.000-07:002009-04-08T19:46:00.000-07:00Thanks, T.Regarding silver vessels and mid-East in...Thanks, T.<BR/><BR/>Regarding silver vessels and mid-East influence, see photo and description here<BR/><BR/>http://collections.vam.ac.uk/objectid/O93549<BR/><BR/><BR/>-Janineauthorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03470230019171564364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27506679.post-48941130272922945832009-04-08T18:11:00.000-07:002009-04-08T18:11:00.000-07:00Hi Janine, Thanks for those interesting researches...Hi Janine, Thanks for those interesting researches and great finds. Funny to compare who influenced who by trade or even by politic back then. Was researching more on the Han dynasty culture, I found out some of the terracotta army buried with the First Emperor of Qin have Western and African faces!<BR/><BR/>If anything comparing these cups to the Middle Eastern. I guess India might influenced tokihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17022633186053977362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27506679.post-65498766028697101302009-04-08T18:09:00.000-07:002009-04-08T18:09:00.000-07:00With the clue in mind, Han Dynasty: http://themand...With the clue in mind, Han Dynasty: http://themandarinstea.blogspot.com/2008/06/quest-for-han-dynasty-tea.html<BR/><BR/>I'm guessing they're cups, designed to accentuate the high notes of a tea (just like qingbai ware would).<BR/><BR/>The difference? one seems to be "dirtier" than the other, and more orange... almost as if it oxidized/rusted/was exposed to water for a period of time. Or, you Trenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09877917822115333375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27506679.post-66426605902920854512009-04-08T12:17:00.000-07:002009-04-08T12:17:00.000-07:00BTW, browsing around the web I found something a l...BTW, browsing around the web I found something a little similar here:<BR/><BR/>http://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/museums/vam/china.html<BR/><BR/>Scroll down to the 14th item - there are two similar looking cups. It says that one is silver and its double is actually ceramic. Tang Dynasty. So - is that the difference? I'm still going to guess a Middle Eastern influence.<BR/>-Janineauthorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03470230019171564364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27506679.post-77485088707634337862009-04-08T12:09:00.000-07:002009-04-08T12:09:00.000-07:00Well, of course I have no idea.However, as it remi...Well, of course I have no idea.<BR/><BR/>However, as it reminds me of a sommelier's cup I am going to guess that these were used for alcohol (wine). I'd also venture to guess that silver ware was influenced by trade from the Middle East (as was wine)<BR/><BR/><BR/>-Janineauthorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03470230019171564364noreply@blogger.com